Poor Excuse For Hunting!

[SongDoghunter]

I hope this is not the way our members hunt!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO0IVvXhl6g

[buckhunter]

in his mind he is a hunting god!!

[manxxcatt]

What a jerk. Wish them yotes woulda jumped down straight in his face.

[DKA]

Hunting, like everything else, has all kinds.

[SongDoghunter]

Good point DKA! I made a post on another forum the other day about coyote and feral hog populations in North Carolina. The type of shooting, not hunting shown in this video goes on in this state all of the time on coyotes, hogs, deer, and other game animals. It is for this reason and the fact that we have very few large inaccessable tracts of land that we will never see coyotes or hogs achieve the densities they have in other states.

[TESLA]

I wonder why he even bothered looking for another target afterwards. It's not as if he had another shot left in his weapon. Reading through the comments of the video it looks like the shooter was 15(there is a reference to his age) at the time. Poor instruction.

[raygun]

I can't believe the dogs stayed there..... It takes all kinds I guess

[dmax2500hd]

I don’t see what the problem was. Other then he can’t shoot that well. I would do the same thing. If you could take a Bone and Crockett buck the same way would you? I sure as hell would.

He made a stalk, used the cover of a round bail, got in a good shooting position. Where is the problem?

Did I miss something in the video?

If I am wrong please point it out.

[SongDoghunter]

I would NOT shoot a deer I just happened upon. My lease has a policy that prevents a hunter from shooting a buck on the lease anywhere but at their stands. In the first place, these guys were turkey hunting and just stumbled across these dogs. He didn't kill them all and was shooting way too far. The animals that survived will be difficult to call for someone who were to show up to coyote hunt. Too me, it's the same as shooting geese on a frozen pond, no sport to it!

[manxxcatt]

I agree. Killing for the sake of killing, isn't hunting, nor is it sporting. Another analogy, shooting sitting ducks on a pond. Now I know people do it, but, not me. No sport in it.

[dixieguns]

I agree. Killing for the sake of killing, isn't hunting, nor is it sporting. Another analogy, shooting sitting ducks on a pond. Now I know people do it, but, not me. No sport in it.

I agree 100%. One time when I was a kid my dad carried me dove hunting and there was this guy across the field from us that was shooting doves off of the powerline. I asked my dad why we couldn't do that because it seemed so much easier. What followed was my first lesson in sportsmanship. Everything he said has stuck with me to this day. I'm constantly reminded of this every year with the opening day of dove season, which is why I try to avoid hunting crowded fields. I have seen things that just flat out angered me and that takes away from the pleasure of hunting.

[dmax2500hd]

I don’t see any thing wrong with it, what so ever. Like I said he cant shoot. That’s the only problem I see. I can understand that on your leases you may have a policy that you have to be in your stand, and I have no problem with that. If I was your hunting partner I would follow your rules. When I say this don’t take offence. I don’t know you well enough to know your hunting ethics. However I think some hunters have lost sight of what hunting is. Hunting is putting food on the table, and when you loss sight of that and look at it as a sport then the other side has won. I believe this gives the anti hunting groups more ammo to say, “that’s why we don’t need hunting”. Don’t get me wrong I love the sport, challenge, and outdoors of it, but when the season is drawing to an end and I still have unfilled tags I will take them however I can get them. If that means shooting one out of the window of the house so be it. If that means I am walking to my stand and I happen upon one so be it.

I don’t understand what the problem would be with this. I have no problem picking up a dead deer of the side of the road, as long as it was just hit. I also don’t need the text book shot that is always talked about on TV. If I have a vitals on an animal and that means I have a four inch gap between two trees to hit my target I am taking the shot. If it’s a strait on chest shot I am taking it, and I have. I have no problem with gutting an animal that’s guts look like soup. Would I shoot a deer in the ass even if I knew it would kill it, NO. That wouldn’t be productive to filling the freezer. Don’t have to hunt to put food on the table. I can afford to shop for all my food. However I would rather put in some work, and put better wild grown meat on the table then steroid grown any day.

From what I see in the video I don’t have the information to pass judgment. I don’t know what lead up to that guy shooting them that way. What I will say is I was brought up if I kill it I eat it. Now I am not saying I eat predators, I look at predators as helping to keep things in balance.

“Killing for the sake of killing, isn't hunting, nor is it sporting.”

What is predetor hunting then? If its to keep things in balance then fine.

There are lots of different thoughts and opinions on what hunting is. I have put in the time and paid my dues. I have hiked in over 5 miles set up camp, slept under the stars in below freezing temps. Some would look at this as ture hunting. Some would say that walking out to a baited stand and waiting isnt hunting. I also do hunt this way. I have 5x5 foot blinds 10 to 20 foot of the ground with sliding glass windows, and heaters. Is what is in the video the gratest hunting I have seen? Hell no.

[manxxcatt]

Going back to the video...

this guy wasn't hunting for food. or maybe he was. He took an opportunity to basically go in and bust off some shells and kill something in what I consider a very unsporting manner.

I could be wrong....maybe he ate the dogs.....

and yes...predator hunting keeps things in balance.

as humans encroach on wilderness areas, it takes from the living and breeding areas of non-predators. a non-predatorial animal has to forage for it's livelihood. Predators, can live on almost anything that crawls swims or flies. Also, predatorial species have litters. e.g. for every female, there are potentially 6-10 per litter, every some odd 120 days. In comparison, a female deer (doe a deer, a female deer....) has 1 per year. you do the math.

now the species between, have varying numbers and birth cycles. but by and large, due to human encroachment, and the lessening thereof of natural habitat, most wild species are forced into smaller areas, while reproducing in somewhat patterned numbers, which, realistically, compared to a predatorial species, which can reproduce every 4 some odd months, and in vast numbers if not controlled, can be litterally wiped out, or pressed to near diminishing numbers.

Without quoting actual facts, (look it up for yourself) predator reproduction and propogation is on the rise nationally.

[manxxcatt]

ok...one last tirade...

although not a predator, let me use the simple gopher as an example of how a highly propogative species, left uncontrolled, can damage an ecosystem.

Many years ago in the midwest, as larger cities encroached upon the plains areas, there arose quickly a need to control the gopher population. the gopher has the ability to tunnel almost endlessly. under foundations, through crops, and even destroy natural wildlife areas, due to the undercutting of root structures. Gophers were the target of opportunity.

Someone along the way, decided that enough was enough. Stop shooting the gophers.

Fast forward to the 1980's. Kansas City, MO.

People's homes were literally leaning over with a 10 degree list. crops outside of the city were failing from root damage. And the Kansas City Royals had to have people go out before games to plug gopher holes.

The solution: shoot gophers.

the time difference between the way back when and the 80's? less than 15 years.

there is a need for control. if we, as humans, are going to continue to take from the wilderness areas, and still want our wildlife resources, then there has to be control. and the control falls on all sides of the spectrum. Control of non-game, as well as game animals, predators and rodents, as well as controls on the controllers, to ensure that or future of hunting, as it was passed to us, we can pass to ours in the future.

End Rant.

[dmax2500hd]

I agree with you all, to a point. They may have a problem there and that’s why they killed them. I understand how and why you feel it maybe unsporting. To each here own.

A few years back they reintroduced the wolf to the Great Lakes region. I was up there this deer season in the upper peninsula of Michigan. We hunted for 5 days and didn’t see one deer. We saw fresh wolf track every spot we hunted. We also talked to 8 to 10 locals and they all said that the wolves where a problem. The fact that they are protected, and have spread to all of the Upper Peninsula is taking its toll on the deer population. I have no problem with the wolves being there, but they are not being managed and getting out of control. The same is true with the coyote in lots of states. There is no decent price for pelts anymore so it isn’t worth most to hunt or trap them.

I still don’t see what the problem is with the video. Maybe I assume that there was a good reason for them killing them in that way. Maybe I am looking at the situation through rose colored glasses. I will say if I was hunting and I was in that situation I would do the same thing, but a better shot. I see the coyotes in a good position to observe their surroundings. The guy made a stalk, used the cover to his advantage. Isn’t that hunting?

[SongDoghunter]

Dmax,

I see some of your reasoning regarding putting food on the table(tongue in cheek)! We all know that very few hunters if any have to kill animals in today's world to provide food for themselves or their families. If so, they would starve to death from February to September unless they kill animals outside of the legal season. I don't agree that the other side would win. Deer hunting for example in North Carolina is about the sport to some, and killing to others. From the state's perspective, it is about controlling an overpopulated herd that is causing problems with crops in rural areas and millions of dollars worth of damage to vehicles on our highways. In spite of years of several counties being in a maximum kill zone, the deer herd in North Carolina statewide is still growing. CWD is rapidly spreading into states surrounding ours and this problem is enhanced by overpopulation. Picking up an animal that was hit on the road is much different than shooting one sleeping in a corn field. The road kill was accidental.

As I said before, the video is about shooting coyotes asleep on a hay bale and a turkey hunter taking a few potluck shots at them. At best, he sends one back into the wild mangled up due to improper equipment and shooting. The fact that this guy injures a wild animal and possibly allows it to run off and die a slow death is likely to alarm the anti-hunting movement far more than any other ethical hunting practice. It just boils down to each individual hunter's likes. If it is legal, you should hunt by what ever method and style you feel comfortable with. It really is like comparing dog hunting to still hunting. I hate dog hunting but it's legal in some portions of the state. Therefore, i have to respect those hunters' right to chase deer with dogs.

[bubba2001]

easier than shooting deer off a corn pile